Speaking of freaky, we just had a Hindenburg Omen, and Glenn Beck supports gay marriage.
I believe what Thomas Jefferson said. If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, what difference is it to me?
I support gay marriage too.
It's a simple matter of equal rights. A state marriage is not the same thing as a religious marriage. Your church won't be required to marry them.
For the other side on the gay marriage issue, see our friend Dean at the Liberator Today.
W.C., thanks for the link!
I'm not so much opposed to same-sex marriage as I am to how it is we got to where it is now "legal".
The process absolutely sucked!
My problem isn't with gay marriage either. I fully support it. I just hate the use of the Bible to justify it being illegal, that is my problem. I mean if you are going to use the Bible then please, let's use the The Great Gatspy, the Fountainhead, Lord of the Rings, and other great pieces of fiction as a guideline as well. Why are we restricted to the Bible to evaluate this?
A reader got pissed at me for supporting gay marriage and asked me how I could explain my position without outing myself as a heretic. I'm not sure what version of Christianity said reader believes in (I get the sense it's the Wal-Mart "God shall strike you down!" version) but the one *I* believe in is rooted firmly in the teachings of Christ. Now I wasn't around 2000 years ago but I get the feeling the guy was about love and peace, not hatred and judgment.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves
my comment: meh, who really gives two shits anyway?.... if their own Creator says "WTF, I give up on these douches" who is anyone on earth to stand in their way to do whatever???
"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet"
YIKES! receiving in themselves that recompence of their error?!?! You mean they bear the burden of their own behavior, Paul???? No shit!?
Proverbs 29:12 - A wicked ruler will have wicked AIDS on his staff.
I'm usually against activist judges, but if you view this as an individual rights case, you could make parallels to the courts overturning Chicago's handgun ban.
Few conservatives would oppose the federal courts overruling the state in that case. True, the Second Amendment is more clear-cut than the equal protection issues in gay marriage, but I think the argument still stands.
Some complain that Prop 8 should be left as is as it was the California voters who decided they liked it in the first place HOWEVER we already know that our buddy Obama tipped the scales in his favor that election and that 70% of blacks who wouldn't otherwise have voted showed up thinking this asshat would pay their mortgages for them. TRUE California voters did not vote yes on Prop 8, Obamanauts did.
And I dare someone to call me racist.
JDA: your comments are spot on. 70% of African American voters supported Prop 8. Apparently, they didn't think that this was an equal rights issue. I must confess, I am not in favor of re-defining marriage. I know that many will disagree with my "slippery slope" argument, but why not polygamists? Surely religious freedom is more specifically enumerated in the constitution than is gay marriage. If you put equal rights and religious freedom together, how can anybody in favor of same sex marriage be against polygamy. Further, if marriage has nothing to do with reproductive concerns, then why not kissin' cuzins getting married? As I said, I wasn't in favor of re-defining marriage, but if we are going down that road perhaps the state just needs to get out of the business of marriage entirely. For those that wish to argue against the logic of polygamy, Canada allowed same sex marriage in 2005. The Canadian supreme court is set to revisit polygamy (partially using the basis of same sex marriage) this November.
"I'm not sure what version of Christianity said reader believes in (I get the sense it's the Wal-Mart "God shall strike you down!" version)"
It isn't the "Wal-Mart version of the Bible". It's the book of Leviticus.
Well, the Book of Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight on a milk-white steed
Michelangeo indeed could've carved out your features
Resting in the fields, far from the turbulent space
Half asleep near the stars with a small dog licking your face.
I've read the Bible. Twice. It also recommends slitting lamb throats to remedy the sin that my life equals by nature of my parents doing each other (out of wedlock none-the-less OH CRAP I'm a bastard AND a sinner!) and I don't see anyone insisting we should do that.
If God were homophobic, (s)he wouldn't have made 10% of humanity gay. Not to mention gay penguins.
"Equal rights" are a joke - everyone wants the "rights" but no one wants to be "equal". WCV is going to be pissed at me for using this example but look at bike riders - they want to be treated "equally" on the road (meaning I need to give them the right-of-way when I'm barreling down Market St) but they don't actually want to be equal when it comes to things like, oh you know, stopping at stop signs.
Women will stop making 60 cents on the dollar compared to men when they also stop asking for things like 12 weeks of maternity leave and an hour and a half extra a day in breaks to breastfeed. God I am an asshole.
I'm partial to Ezekiel 25:17, myself.
And JDA, please don't mix bicycles and gay rights.
I've read the Bible. Twice."
I don't doubt that you have and have some "souvenirs" to make that point. A much wiser old man once told me when I was a boy that reading the Bible and understanding the Bible were horses of two different colors. It didn't make sense to me until I was a bit "weathered". Anyhoo, his favorite verse was from the New Testament: Physician, heal thyself. I stick with that "mind thy own beeswax" advice and it works out well. I'll leave the big picture topics to the modern day Solomons of the world because it's beyond me. Could not give a crap about gay marriage anyway (or kids born out of wedlock, or bicyclists not sharing the road, etc.). Not even on my radar. Ted Haggard being a case in point: He ain't no Solomon and he should have been stickin' to his own knittin' and doing some self-examination. Funny how that's the way it usually works with the folks who are so vocal about a subject that concerns other people, huh? (chuckle, chuckle)
God I am an asshole
Don't worry - we all are. He just likes us to come to that conclusion on our own and ask forgiveness. Humility can be an awsome thing.
I <3 The Onion The truth sure hurts sometimes.
I was married for over 20 years and hated much of it. The last decade just blew drunk chunks. The five year post divorce period was even worse. People I used to share a roof and break bread with I could care less about today. If they burst into spontaneous combustion, I wouldn't cross the street to piss on them to put them out. Wouldn't spare a drop. I view the whole gay marriage bit as a "don't know, don't care" but be careful what you wish for 'cause you might get it.
This poor bastard didn't make it out alive. He got "bitched to death" by a fucking harpy.
They will be among some 200 gays and lesbians who will be at Busch Stadium as part of Pride St. Louis's "OUT at the Ballpark" event.
fabulous! More tongue!!!!!! I'm waiting for the day when the Kiss Cam becomes the Fuck Cam - then we're talking ratings bonanza!!!!
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